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On oil profits (and other administrivia) within the new Libya

August 23rd, 2011

The fighters in western Libya who captured the supply line towns on the way into Tripoli and made the final push into the capital do not come from the same tribal/political factions that started the rebellion in Benghazi to the east, six months ago. This only begins to state the problems the rebellion’s Transitional National Council and its nominal leader Mustafa Abdul Jalil will now face in governing the country. It doesn’t help that Jalil sacked his entire interim Cabinet on August 8, and seems to be ruling by decree. This phantom is the government-in-waiting that New Zealand has chosen to formally recognise today as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people?

That said, revolutions are very rarely a cake walk. In Libya the revolutionary task will be made even more difficult by the way that Muammur Gaddafi erased all forms of civil society and ruled by personality cult for the past 40 years. Civil society will now have to be rebuilt, from the ground up. There is also the festering matter of the murder in July of the rebel army commander Abdul Fattah Younis. Plus, the formerly besieged town of Misrata has reportedly refused to recognise the authority of Jalil’s men…

Add it all up and the claims to legitimacy of a Benghazi-led TNC government – which is the edifice that New Zealand and the rest of the outside world is now rushing to recognise – do not seem all that convincing. Getting rid of Muammur Gaddafi may have been the relatively easy part. Here’s how the international media is summing things up:

The confusion and bickering in the aftermath of the killing [of Younis] bode ill for the council’s claim to be a government of all Libyans. This claim has already been all but rejected by Misrata, Libya’s third city, whose inhabitants are scathing of Mr Abdul Jalil’s rule and of the poor performance of the council’s army units. Commanders in Misrata recently underlined to journalists that they do not accept instructions from the council. Mr Abdul Jalil’s task of imposing order will suffer further because his forces in the east played no part in the twin rebel offensives closing on Tripoli.

These genuine problems can, of course, be over-stated. The people of Libya have shown immense courage and determination in taking on Gaddafi’s forces on the ground and toppling his regime, regardless of the role played by the West in neutralising the dictator’s military superiority. Jalil now has to reach out to those in western Libya who won the final battles, and include them as equals in the new government.

The next test will be to ensure that the profits from Libya’s vast energy reserves are used for the good of its people, and are not monopolised by Western oil companies. The quickest way of undermining the new government will be if events on the ground confirm the conspiracy theories that NATO has just been the military arm of BP, Shell and Chevron. The vultures from BP and Shell are already gathering.

British oil giants are eyeing their route back into Libya, amid expectations that the 42-year reign of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi is in its death throes.

Prior to the Libyan revolution, BP and Shell were exploring the desert in the hope of exploiting an estimated 42bn barrels of reserves….Both are known to be keen to forge strong relationships with whatever government emerges.

Petrofac, the oil services company that supplies some 25pc of British oil producers, has never had a presence in Libya but is planning to take advantage of the expected rush when oil firms return.

Currently, there seems to be no sense that the fall of Gaddafi should involve any change in how oil profits are reaped, and distributed. The only issues to Western analysts seems to be about how long it will take to repair the oil infrastructure damaged by the fighting, and how long before oil exploration and production can be ramped back up again. No one seems to be considering whether the fall of Gaddafi could – or should – create an oil dividend for the Libyan people. Lets hope the West gets a surprise on that score.


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    1. 51 Responses to “On oil profits (and other administrivia) within the new Libya”

    2. By Joe Blow on Aug 23, 2011 | Reply

      Yeah, agreed. The status quo of the Libyan oil industry should not change in Libya until a legitimate government has been established with a mandate for deciding how Libya’s oil industry should be structured.

      BUT BP, Chevron and ExxonMobil were already in Libya before the revolution. They’re worried about their investments. Just like China is. Especially when an official at the Libyan rebel-run oil firm, AGOCO, said Russian and Chinese firms could lose out on oil contracts for failing to back the rebellion against Gaddafi:

      Hell not so long ago Gaddafi was the reformed golden boy of the West. In 2006 Libya was removed from the US’s list of states that sponsor terrorism and ties were normalised and sanctions removed along with the major oil companies getting very chummy with the government again.

      I guess your point is that the major oil companies potentially have a lot to lose…

      Still I get the feeling that any future government of Libya, under pressure to revive a shattered infrastructure, will likely welcome foreign investment in order to get production up and running again… I blame Gaddafi.

    3. By Jon Bon on Aug 24, 2011 | Reply

      Key is such a turd. His statements, unglossed by PR sound like the 100 level essays I used to grade:

      “We’re standing alongside many nations around the world expressing our desire to see Colonel Gaddafi leave and do so in a way to a make sure there is not extended bloodshed.

      “This is a guy that has taken the lives of many thousands of his citizens who have taken up against him.”

      Marks off for knowing absolutely nothing about anything, John. For your next assignment avoid broad sweeping statements and do some original research. What a tool. And what tools NZers are for voting for him. I’d rather be ruled by an enlightened despot than by such a dithering fool.

    4. By Spoff on Aug 24, 2011 | Reply

      Whatever one might think of Gadhafi, he did deliver some dividends to the Libyan people:

      * The Libyan economy has become the best performing in Africa and has, from time to time, outperform­­ed developed countries such as Italy, Singapore, South Korea, Spain and New Zealand. Every citizen receives a dividend, paid into their bank account from the State Oil Industry.

      * The literacy rate has gone from 20% to the highest in North Africa; over 82% .

      * Education is free and compulsory up to secondary level.

      * Universiti­­es and higher technical and vocational institutes have gone from zero to 84 (with 12 public universiti­­es). Higher education is funded by the State. 1.7 million of 6.4 million Libyans are students.

      * Healthcare for every citizen is free, including travel for procedures not available in Libya.

      * Crime.
      Incarcerat­­ion: 173 per 100,000 people (U.S. 743 incarcerat­­ed per 100,000)
      Murder: 2.2 per 100,000 people (U.S. 5.5 per 100,000)

      * Agricultur­­e
      25-30% of State expenditur­­e goes to Agricultur­­al projects aimed at freeing Libya from its dependence on imported food.

      Similarly with Bashar Assad. He is certainly not the “brutal dictator” he is being characterised as.

      Perhaps certain interests prefer Arab States to be in a state of turmoil?

    5. By Leon Henderson on Aug 24, 2011 | Reply

      This butchering-fest by the Zionist USA and (now)it’s lackey crony-client-states against Libya is nothing new:

    6. By Joe Blow on Aug 24, 2011 | Reply

      @ Spoff

      Do you even know the source of your own post?

    7. By Laurence on Aug 25, 2011 | Reply

      My guess is they will do exactly the same as Iraq – feed civil war for ever and a day to make sure there never is a functional democracy, but the oil wells will be well protected. Dont know if they have any holy places in Libya but if they do sure special ops will be blowing them up to keep the poor sods divided. Media coverage has been a hideous cheering of another criminal take down of a sovereign nation. When did our journalists loose all professional integrity – Presstitutes.

    8. By Leon Henderson on Aug 25, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow: are you who elsewhere all over the place on New Zealand political websites calls yourself “Whale Oil”?

    9. By Leon Henderson on Aug 25, 2011 | Reply

      Hey Joe Blow/Whale Oil: Spoff made you go badly wrong-footed over the Palestinian situation. You are EVERYWHERE on Werewolf where anyone who disagrees with Jewish-American capitalism and what it is doing to Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, and New Zealand, is some kind of idiot.

      You are probably Mossad.

    10. By Joe Blow on Aug 26, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      I suspect that you are a National Party stooge employed to represent the left in such a way that the left will lose all credibility in the eyes of the swing voters.

      Leon when have I ever made any statement that supports the Israeli occupation of Jerusalem or Israeli persecution of the Palestinians?

    11. By Leon Henderson on Aug 27, 2011 | Reply

      Everything I post on Werewolf/Scoop I use my real name.

      On every other political website I use the name “Swordfish” viz-a-viz posts on NZ Herald (etc).

      Am a very proud Mighty, Mighty, New Zealand Green Party Card-Holding Member.

    12. By Leon Henderson on Aug 27, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow: you say when have you (meaning yourself) supported the Zionist butchering-and-thieving spree in Palestine since 1947?

      Well Spoff said it all.

      Joe Blow, you tried to disinform any young person who is reading Werewolf that this vicious and totally one-sided bloodbath is so=-called “about religeon”.

      Joe Blow – have you ever read the Q’uran? I have, just as YOU have Mr. Mossad Agent!

    13. By Joe Blow on Aug 27, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      I assure anyone actually bothering to read us shoot the shit that religion does play and has played a major role in the creation of Israel and the ongoing support for Israel in Congress:

      It’s not the Quran itself that’s the problem it’s certain interpretations of the Quran that are the problem. Leon have you ever read any of Sayyid Qutb’s works? You sound like his parrot.

      That’s it! I’m not going to waste anymore time on you Leon. Go and talk to your pseudonym Spoff!

    14. By Joe Blow on Aug 27, 2011 | Reply

      My post didn’t come up!

      I assure anyone actually bothering to read us shooting the s**t that religion has played a major role in the creation of Israel and continued support for Israel by Congress:

      Leon, much like the bible, the problem isn’t the Quran itself, it’s certain interpretations of the Quran that are the problem. Have you ever read any of Sayyid Qutb’s works Leon? Because you sound like his parrot:

    15. By Joe Blow on Aug 28, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      My posts haven’t come through. Must be awaiting moderation. Thought I’d try again.

      The Israel Lobby – John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

    16. By Joe Blow on Aug 28, 2011 | Reply

      It worked!

      I assure anyone bored enough to actually read us yabbering on that religion has played a major role in the creation of Israel and US support for Israel in Congress. Read the article above.

    17. By Joe Blow on Aug 28, 2011 | Reply

      Like the bible, the Quran itself is not the problem, it’s certain interpretations of the Quran that are the problem.

      A fine example on the ideology on the other side of the spectrum is Sayyid Qutb:

      We’ve got fundamentalist ideologies pitted against each other on both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

      I only use one name on-line = “Joe Blow”. I assure you that I’m just a nobody that reads too much…

    18. By Joe Blow on Aug 28, 2011 | Reply

      I’ll give you an example of a truely one sided view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict = The movie by Johm Pilger called “Palestine Is Still The Issue Part 2″. Believe me I was rooting for him all the way when he took on that Israeli official over the occupation of Palestine, but there was absolutely no interview with Hamas at all in the entire movie.

      Why do you think Pilger did that?

      Take a deep breath, step back and think hard Leon.

    19. By Joe Blow on Aug 28, 2011 | Reply

      Here’s the closest thing we’re going to get to an objective view on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

      United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict

    20. By Joe Blow on Aug 29, 2011 | Reply

      I thought I better balance the view in The Israel Lobby article by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt above with a very good analysis of the other end of the spectrum by Bassam Tibi. I wouldn’t want the young that read Werewolf and Scoop getting a bent view from only reading about one piece of the puzzle:

      From Sayyid Qutb to Hamas: The Middle East Conflict and the Islamization of Antisemitism – by Bassam Tibi

    21. By Leon Henderson on Aug 31, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow: you seem to try and imply that Hamas “can not speak through John Pilger” who you also imply is “Gagging Hamas”.

      The facts are that Hamas are the universally, freely elected Government of all Palestinians: upon their landslide election they were immediately assaulted massively by the Jews in the “West Bank” which is the biggest concentration-camp into which the Jews have “herded” their very own Semitic flesh and blood to mass-murder them and thieve their land, whilst lying that their victims are so-called “terrorists” and of a so-called “different religeon”.

      It is an utter LIE. The “Muslims” are exactly the same “religeon” as the Jews and in actual fact are far more “Jewish” than nearly all Jews, because the “purist” Muslims all want a return to absolute obedience to the “Law Of Musa/Moshe” – or as his name is in the English language “Moses”.

      Musa/Moshe ordained the immediate death-penalty to anyone in Is-rael caught moneylending viz-a-viz Shylock.

      Muhammed in the Q’uran rails against the Jews for their moneylending again and again, and does the same about the way their merchants swindle people by the use of false weights and measures.

      Attempt to defend the Jews with all your might Joe Blow, the fact is that all they deserve is to be massively stomped on – like they did to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Somalia to name only a few of their latest victims. And not to mention their vicious Mass-Murder-Spree’s in the Gaza and West Bank and everywhere else! The Zionists are vicious thieves, liars, and mass-murderers.

    22. By Joe Blow on Aug 31, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      Why didn’t John Pilger interview Hamas in his documentary “Palestine is Still the Issue Part 2″ if they are the natural spokesmen of what the Palestinians really think?

    23. By Leon Henderson on Sep 1, 2011 | Reply

    24. By Leon Henderson on Sep 1, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow: the Palestinian thing – you feebly put up straws to tout at!

    25. By Leon Henderson on Sep 1, 2011 | Reply

      I have been a bit mean to you again Joe Blow, but the fact is I actually like you! You are very intelligent, and to the point where you could very well be teetering on the brink of being, literally, “over-thoughtful”.

      On Dial-Up am not possessed of the energy to, like a nearly completely dead snail, crawl around Werewolf trying to find for reference a post a dude placed here some time ago where he wanted us to “stop fighting” because he said it was starting to make Werewolf look increasingly like that “Sunday-Star-Times” tabloid.

      Joe Blow, the absolutely last thing any of us want or need is for that to happen, so I am fighting hard to “retract my horns”.

    26. By Joe Blow on Sep 1, 2011 | Reply

      Okay, ditto. I agree. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not likely to come to an end any time soon no matter what either of us think about it anyway…

    27. By Joe Blow on Sep 1, 2011 | Reply

      @ Spoff

      You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig…

      If everything was so hunky dory in Libya, why did people start protesting then? Not everyone was getting a sweet government ride from the oil profits, particularly in the poorer East:

      While Gaddafi flew around in an Airbus A340 private jet, which he bought from Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal of Saudi Arabia for $120 million in 2003 not to mention the Gaddafi Family’s investments through the Libyan Investment Authority:

      Gaddafis’ hidden billions: Dubai banks, plush London pads and Italian water

      It doesn’t sound much like socialism to me…

    28. By Leon Henderson on Sep 2, 2011 | Reply

      Thanks Joe Blow: PAX! We are actually on the same side, but are coming from different angles: you are a good dude Joe Blow and on any “Ship” of mine you always will be welcome.

      But do not be alarmed by my eye-patch and shoulder-sitting parrot!!!

    29. By Leon Henderson on Sep 2, 2011 | Reply

      People like you and me are being murdered in Libya by Wall Street. Gaddafi and his sons and daughters are being hunted down to be either murdered or else slammed into the Zionist Kangaroo “Court” “Hague” where all enemies of the Jews seem to “Mysteriously Die In Their Jail-Cells”. Many brave Serbian Warriors who were captured by these SCUM actually cut their own throats by smashing bottles and cutting their own throats with the shreds of glass as they were being “Transited” by the Jewish-owned American military.

      Joe Blow and everyone else on Werewolf: here are some REAL soldiers – Honourable Soldiers: Russian Spetznaz Afghanistan Veterans:

    30. By Leon Henderson on Sep 2, 2011 | Reply

      Howdy Joe Blow. Every year in Jerusalem the Jews hold a massive parade led by rab-i’s who carry a “cornerstone” at the head of their procession.

      This is the “cornerstone” for the “New Temple”. The Zionists want a “new temple” built upon the ancient “Temple Mound” in Jerusalem and upon which stands the Al-Axa Mosque.

      Several years ago the Zionists held a massive “parade” again and the leaders of this “parade” tried to smash their way into the tomb of a Muslim Saint in the Temple Mound.

      The Islamic Palestinians went berserk (there are Christian Palestinians as well Joe Blow, but they are being hunted down and murdered by the Talmudists also: they will be coming for you and me if we do not get off our backs and start to fight these vicious, mass-murdering THUGS.

    31. By Joe Blow on Sep 3, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      See – what did I tell you? There’s an awful lot about religion going on over there Leon…

      Why aren’t the Israelis picking a Christian holy site to build their new temple on I wonder…

    32. By Leon Henderson on Sep 3, 2011 | Reply

      You are correct Joe Blow, any maniacal obsession is a “Religeon” and Talmudism sure is, because it is making millions of human beings be murdered and starved, and the very world we all exist in be environmentally destroyed also.

    33. By Leon Henderson on Sep 3, 2011 | Reply

      As for Christians, Joe Blow, they already are being hunted down and murdered by the Talmudists in Jerusalem and everywhere else in the Middle East occupied by the Israelies.

      Joe Blow, it is a fascinating situation viz-a-viz the “Temple Mount” because in order to be able to destroy the Al-Axa Mosque the Jews first have to conquer Syria and Iran.

      They have managed to grab Iraq.

    34. By Joe Blow on Sep 3, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      I would like to agree with you on this Leon, because it might mean that the article by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt on the Israel Lobby above is a load of bull, but I can’t remember the last time I heard of a Christian holy site under threat in the Holy Land and the Israelis and Christians look awfully chumy to me:

      International Fellowship of Christians and Jews – Persecution of Christians in the Middle East

    35. By Leon Henderson on Sep 3, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow, the Talmudist’s are using the “big” supposedly “Christian” countries to serve their ends (but they hate Russia, which is a truly Christian Nation: the Jews absolutely loathe the Russians because the Russians are real Christians) but they will viciously murder them all as soon as they have served their purpose.

    36. By Leon Henderson on Sep 4, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow: just received an email from my ISP (“Woosh” – they are good Kiwi dudes, Southlanders!) saying they are distressed to have to announce that they are going to have increase their Internet Connection price.

      They are VERY careful to not say precisely why the price is being increased and instead they will only say (along with much apology) that it “is beyond our control”.

      What they mean Is Jewish-American Telecom has increased the “Lines Charges”. Joe Blow, New Zealand is a groveller to the Kikes, but nevertheless in this country there were some extremely alarmed “Tech’s” placing warnings on the Web about what was going to happen when the slimy John Key and Steven Joyce (Joe Blow, WHO actually is the REAL boss of the National Party?) handed our Broadband Network to Jewish Telecom.

      Joe Blow, HOW are we going to be able to get our Telecommunications back again without having to use guns and bombs to try and get it back?

      By handing the New Zealand Broadband Network (along with a nearly two-billion-dollar New Zealand Worker’s Tax-money donation as well)

    37. By Leon Henderson on Sep 4, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow, as usual am writing this literally hideously drunk.

      Am liable to get banned soon – have just got booted off a Linux Website for “Political Activities”.

      For liking Vladimir Lenin, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, and Hugo Chavez!

    38. By Leon Henderson on Sep 4, 2011 | Reply

      What is meant, Joe Blow, is am astounded that even in the “Linux World” there are conservatives! How can this be?

    39. By Leon Henderson on Sep 17, 2011 | Reply

      Here is what that post which started collapsing and then petered-out from drunkenness should have looked like:

      …Joe Blow, HOW are we going to be able to get our Telecommunications System back again without having to use guns and bombs to try and get it back?

      By handing the New Zealand Broadband Network (along with a nearly two-billion-dollar New Zealand Worker’s Tax-money donation as well)over to the Kikes (who have been in absolute control of the New Zealand Telecommunications Network from 1987 onwards, and to absolutely ruinous effect for the Working-Class people of this country) John Key and Steven Joyce have damned the Working-Class people of New Zealand to endless continuation of extortionate overcharging, unscrupulous “hidden fee” implementations, and abominably substandard “service”.

      The corporate mass-media, by the way, did not exactly “shout from the rooftops” something else John Key and Steven Joyce did: American Telecom and their siamese crony twin Vodafone (who has been “jointly”, with Telecom, given the new Broadband Network)have also been handed absolute exemption from Commerce Commission oversight for ten years. This means they can charge the most outrageous fee’s and swindle Working-Class New Zealanders all over the place year-in-and-year-out and no government (even if we ever got one with the will and the guts to try and protect the Working-Class people against the capitalist marauders)has any power to take any action because the contract that Key and Joyce handed to these vicious Thugs is sanctioned and recognized by the WTO.

    40. By Joe Blow on Sep 17, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      Well you never know Leon, if the Euro Zone falls apart and the US defaults and capitalism unravels at the seams then Joyce and Key will likely have no choice but to nationalise everything anyway… or another world war would soon create the environment whereby governments could start nationalising strategic assets again…

      I guess you’ll just have to wait for the world to fall apart again so we can get our national treasures back.

    41. By Leon Henderson on Sep 21, 2011 | Reply

      Howdy Joe Blow, just a flying visit (am heftily tangled up elsewhere these days, which will be a massive relief to the Scoop staff and the readership!!!) but found an impressive online book you oughtta take a look at Joe Blow (the way you get from page to page is a bit of an oblique process at first but easy to get the hang of):

      Adios, Joe Blow, gotta head elsewhere on the Web now.

    42. By Joe Blow on Sep 22, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      Hi there Leon. Off to sort out them capitalists elsewhere I dear say! Your some kind of on-line socialist vigilante or something!

      Anyway, the link doesn’t work. I haven’t finished reading Hager’s book yet anyway. Been busy.

      To bad you’ve flittered in and out so quickly. Gordon just wrote an new article on Israel that’s right up your alley.


    43. By Leon Henderson on Sep 23, 2011 | Reply

      Joe Blow, what the hell is wrong with adamantly agreeing with all of the practical aspects of what true Socialism is, and I thought you said you were a Mighty, Mighty, New Zealand Green Party Card-Holding Member?

      There was in New Zealand/Aoteroa all hope until the disastrous 1984 General Election when the Roger Douglas so-called “Labour” party got into power and then fell over themselves to sell New Zealand down the drain to the Wall Street Jews.

      We have never stopped paying hideously ever since.

      They will kill us Joe Blow – they will economically murder the New Zealand Working-Class. New Zealand, Joe Blow, is teetering on the brink of ending up like Greece.

    44. By Cam on Sep 23, 2011 | Reply

      The thought of ending up like Greece sickens me to the core!

      The Environment is the greater concern though.

    45. By Leon Henderson on Sep 23, 2011 | Reply

      Cam: you sort out the environmental equation by first of all creating generally “happy” people who like to be alive and who are inspired to think in egalitarian and socially constructive ways, and you do this by politically /economically engineering a fair society where moneylenders and landlords cannot exist, and where there is no such thing as a homeless person and a person who is hungry, and a person who cannot afford electricity or gas, and a person who has no disposable money.

      The Jews deliberately make “economics” so infernally complicated throughout the Jewish-American Empire that only their top-bosses can actually comprehend how it operates, and in 2008 they, in a frenzy of greed, thieved forty-seven-trillion USA dollars out of the world economy.

      What more needs to be said.

    46. By Leon Henderson on Sep 23, 2011 | Reply

      And Cam, that was not writ wrong – no shit, Forty-Seven-Trillion Dollars thieved by the Kikes.

      An Irish writer in the 1970’s described the United States of America as being an “utter obscenity” and an “abomination” because of the way it treated its horrendous multitudes of poverty-stricken people.

      What else is new?

    47. By Joe Blow on Sep 24, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      I don’t know Leon. The Greens sound mighty chummy with capitalism lately Leon. You heard about their “Green Wave” plan to create up to 81,000 jobs through building a new $6 billion to $8 billion export industry in renewable energy technology.

      Go capitalism! Go Green!

    48. By Leon Henderson on Sep 24, 2011 | Reply


    49. By Leon Henderson on Sep 24, 2011 | Reply

      Cannot believe how badly written nearly all of my posts are – wasn’t even drunk when writing them!

      That incoherent “reply” to Cam that was meant to be an explanation of how material problems can be solved through the political machinery (all you need is the correct political machinery/system of governance/economic/social policy) but for some reason that post completely lost it’s way.

      It was initially trying to say an important thing, so am going to write it here: when you get the right kind of Government, as in True Socialist Government, they create the Economic and Social Environment. Provide the populace with a safe living environment and decent standard of living (and guarantee it with a Constitution)and you will get overwhelmingly good morale amongst the Citizenry. In a True Socialist State, all people are involved in the political process.

      By operating the country as a giant Co-Operative the people are given a powerful sense of “ownership” of their country, and will take great pride in it. They will listen, and pay close attention to good ideas such as looking after and protecting the “natural” environment. The people will be highly educated due to excellent free education, and capable of being reasoned with. Education produces thoughtfulness and a desire to learn more, and to utilise the knowledge constructively.

      None of this is difficult in itself, but the problem is that any True Socialist Government, say in New Zealand/Aoteroa – will immediately induce enraged hostility from the Jews and their lackey USA “government” (Jew Glove-Puppet “Mr. Hopey-Changey” Obama) and be under constant threat, blockade, and infiltration/sabotage, and ultimately the threat of invasion. Invasion to “Provide New Zealand With Freedom And Democracy”, which is always their ludicrous, hackneyed pretext.

    50. By Joe Blow on Sep 25, 2011 | Reply

      @ Leon

      The Green New Deal

      100,000 Green Jobs for New Zealanders

    51. By Leon Henderson on Sep 25, 2011 | Reply

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